AN INSIDE VIEW BY BH

OBSESSED EP 02 - IT'S PRIDEEEEEE

No. 196
Article by:
Leona Chen

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[Bouncy intro music plays]

"Fresh out of the closet."

ELAINE: Welcome to Obsessed by Bobblehaus. I'm Elaine. 

JANA: And I'm Jana. And we are your hosts of this podcast.

ELAINE: In each episode, we'll talk about things in pop culture and media that we're obsessed with.

JANA: We’ll unpack our feelings about the good, the bad, and why they matter. 

ELAINE: It's Pride Month, so our topic for today is going to be LGBTQ representation in popular media. We're each going to talk about one piece of media that we're totally obsessed with. 

JANA: You know Elaine and I already, but we have a special guest today, Ophelia.

(All cheer)

OPHELIA: Hi, everyone. Thank you for all that. Oh, my goodness. So much love.

(Jana and Elaine giggle)

OPHELIA:  I'm so excited to be here. It's like a dream come true to be the first guest of our own podcast. 

ELAINE: Yes. And we're totally obsessed with Ophelia, because also, by the way, Ophelia is the CEO and co-founder of Bobblehaus–

JANA: – and she and I are also Bobblehaus’ resident bisexuals.

(Ophelia laughs) Yes. Fresh out of the closet. 

ELAINE: Oh, my God. I love it. How are you feeling about that? 

OPHELIA: Good. So far, so good. My parents and I are in a phase of ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell,’ which is one step better than… you know…  so I call that a win. 

ELAINE: Yeah, I call that a win, too. 

JANA: I'm kind of in the same place. I've told them, and I think right now we're just pretending that nothing happened until it becomes a problem when I bring someone home, but I'm not going to deal with that yet. 

OPHELIA: I think time will tell. 

ELAINE: Yeah, time. Yeah, I think time for sure. 

OPHELIA: Shall we? 

JANA: Okay. Yes. So we're going to listeners. Ophelia and I started talking about our crushes, and we got really shy and sweaty. We're going to take a shot of alcohol because that always helps, right? 

OPHELIA: Yes. We're old and simpin. 

JANA: We're down bad, and we're not dealing with it well. I am covered in sweat - it’s actually funny. 

ELAINE: Oh, it's 9:30 where I am, so I'm going to take a sip of air…  in the morning, by the way.

"They thought they freed themselves out of a stereotype, but they somehow jumped into another."

JANA: Okay. My greatest superstition is you have to make eye contact when you cheers. Okay, so are you making eye contact? 

OPHELIA: Yes, I'm staring. 

JANA: Okay. Yes, me too. Okay. Cheers.

(Girls cheer)

OPHELIA: Okay, now I'm ready.

(Girls down their shots)

ELAINE: Ophelia, as our special guest, do you want to go first? What is a piece of LGBTQ+media that you're totally obsessed with right now? 

(Whispers) Obsessed. 

OPHELIA: So I don't watch a lot of shows about high school. I'm 27 years old, so I'm a little bit past that. But my girlfriend and I are obsessed with this British coming of age romantic comedy called Heartstopper on Netflix. Have you guys seen it? 

JANA: I watched the first episode, and I thought it was super cute, and I need to keep watching. ELAINE: Yeah, super, super cute. It gives me those tingly, butterfly like high school ceilings. OPHELIA: Exactly. And it follows Charlie Spring, a gay schoolboy who falls in love with his classmate Nick Nelson, the rugby king, who he sits next to in his new form. So, you know, like this kind of like dynamic that you're already like…. (Ophelia squeals)

Yeah. The little sparkle. And I think the show is so well done and definitely shows the vulnerability from both characters and not to use the phrase, but I definitely experienced the exact same full-on gay panic

JANA: Yes. I thought it was really interesting that he's out at the beginning of the show because I feel like most gay coming of age stories are about the coming out process and realizing that about your identity. So starting there is really unique and really… I don't know, it's just different. And I think that's kind of more interesting. I feel like we haven't really seen that before as much. OPHELIA: Yeah, absolutely. There's also a couple, a lesbian couple in the show that showcases more of what happens after coming out, more than before coming out, which is very accurate in a way because a lot of time after I came out of closet with my parents and to my friends, I'm like, okay, what next? 

JANA: Yeah, that's so true. Now what do I do? You don't know what it's like to come out and experience that. So it's nice to see on screen and be like, okay, so this is what this person is going to go through and this is probably what maybe I would be going through too. 

ELAINE: Right? Yeah. And it's like you think that's the hard part, that coming out is the hard part, but then after you do it, there's so many other emotions and like other hoops you have to jump through to feel like yourself. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. Because all of a sudden they kind of categorize. The way that she described it is like all of a sudden everyone starts to categorize them as a quote-unquote lesbian couple. Yeah. Or put them in a box in a way, but they thought they freed themselves out of a stereotype, but they somehow jumped into another. 

ELAINE: Yeah, right. That's deep. 

(They laugh)

ELAINE: It's kind of sad. You leave the closet and you come out and you liberate yourself and then you're left with all this weight of like, okay, now I need to tell everyone, like my friends, my family, like, what are they going to think? Are they going to think about me differently? Do you think that changes you… of how they see you as well? 

JANA: And as much as your friends support you and your loved ones support you, some of them are just going to act different. It's just going to be the way… 

OPHELIA: Yeah, it was actually, my 20 year old intern told me that. I asked her, I was like, and I don't know where we're talking about this conversation, but I asked her, like, what if I feel attraction towards the same sex or towards a girl? But I am not ready to develop a relationship or I'm not ready to kiss her, and stuff like that. And she's like, that's totally okay.

ELAINE: Yeah. 

OPHELIA: And then coming from someone that didn't even flinch or didn't even of course, however you are, that's totally okay. And you don’t have to define yourself by ‘bi’ or ‘pan’ or all these new words. 

ELAINE: Exactly. 

OPHELIA: I was like, Oh, my goodness. This young generation. Go, girl. 

JANA: Yeah, I know. Yes. I have so much faith in the younger generations to just, like, make it way easier than it was for us. 

OPHELIA: I think that means we’re old.

ELAINE: You're not old. 

JANA: We are the crypt keeper compared to you, Elaine. 

ELAINE: No, I think it's just we accept more like fluidity and accept that not everything is black and white. We accept, like, everyone's going through a process, right?So it's not like, oh, today I have a tingly feeling about a girl. Tomorrow I have to introduce her to my parents.

OPHELIA: Right. 

ELAINE: Everything is a process, I think, is what I see now and talking to my friends. It's all like everything is a fluid process.

OPHELIA: I actually have a theory, and this is nothing that we don't have to put into it. But you know how human evolved out of animal because of language.

JANA: Right. 

OPHELIA: And I think this generation are the ones that evolve from language to feeling. 

ELAINE: Wow.

OPHELIA: Because all of a sudden, it's okay to not express it into words.

JANA: Yes. It was like our generation had developed the language, and then now they can take the language and develop something else from that that's even better.

OPHELIA: Exactly. Where the language doesn't have to be, quote, unquote, define a certain way. Because once you put it into the language, it's black and white. Exactly what you said. But when it's just a feeling, again, it's a process. It can just be a feeling that you feel or something, a journey that you're going through, and then it's just a mental state. Right. 

JANA: Okay. My mind is blown.

ELAINE:  Yeah, that makes sense, though.

"I think this generation is the one that evolves from language to feeling."

JANA: I can go next. So the piece of media that I am obsessed with is Fire Island. Have you guys seen it? 

ELAINE: (Screams) Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It was so good. Have you seen it, Ophelia? 

OPHELIA: No, I have not. 

JANA: So basically, it's a romantic comedy. It just came out on Hulu this month. So it's an adaptation of Pride and Prejudice, but it's set on Fire Island. Written by and stars Joel Kim Booster. Then it also features the iconic Miss Margaret Cho, and she really feels like the mom of the group. 

ELAINE: She kind of, like, rounds everyone up every year to bring them back to the house. That's my dream. 

OPHELIA: That's going to be me. 

ELAINE: I want to come to the house. Can I come to the house? 

JANA: Yeah. Can we come to the house? 

OPHELIA: Yes. I can't wait. 

JANA: Okay. Yeah. So a big focus of the film is a relationship between Joel Kim Booster and Bowen Yang, who are the Elizabeth and Jane of this version. And they make it really clear that they're the closest of the group from the beginning, for obvious reasons. So I'm going to play this clip for you guys. 

(Clip plays: “Then there's Howie, the best of us on almost every level. He deserted me a few years ago for some push startup job in San Francisco, but he still makes it back every year for this trip. Arvan goes a little deeper than everyone else's for complex spiritual reasons and, well, a Jackie Chan. Hey, you had a refill here, bud. All the obvious ones too.)

JANA: Okay, that was like two, three minutes into the movie. 

ELAINE: I would say 1 minute. 

JANA: Yeah, I'm solving by this point of the movie, I was just, like, really overwhelmed. I knew this was going to hit me hard, that this movie was going to hit me hard. I'm a huge fan of 90% of the people that are in it, too. And I knew it was going to hit me hard, but I was just, like, really overwhelmed at how… I don't know, just seeing these two gay Asian men be the lead of this movie. Like, they're not side characters. They're not like, someone's best friend. They lead this movie. They're the main characters… 

ELAINE: … and they're fully developed. Characters are so flushed out, and there's a real backstory and real struggle of what they're going through as Asian gay people. 

JANA: Right. Their friendship is just so beautiful. And their friend group, all of it just reminded me of my friends so much. So I was unwell at this point in the movie.

ELAINE: It was so sweet. Such a sweet friendship to have on screen. And the dynamic that they have is so real. It feels like they've been friends forever. Maybe they have…

JANA: And they are in real life. And so I think that's why it came through so clearly. And it feels so natural. Yeah, natural and special. The Mr. Darcy of Fire Island…

ELAINE: (screams)

JANA: …  is Conrad Ricamora, who is Filipino. And he's so hot. 

ELAINE: SO hot.

JANA: Yeah, that's like the Darcy way. Like, he's really standoffish and closed off-seeming. And then you find out he's just, like, really protective over the people he cares about. They have such good chemistry. And I love the enemies-to-lovers, starting-off-on-the-wrong-foot trope… it’s so rom-com-y… I love it.

OPHELIA: That’s beautiful.

ELAINE: And they also talk about important stuff, like class and race issues… and it displays the complexities of being a gay adult in the modern world. There’s such a diversity of friends and people on the island. I didn’t know that there were such serious class and race issues even in the gay community… what was the quote they had in the movie? 

JANA: Oh, “no fats, no femmes, no Asians.”

OPHELIA: What?!

ELAINE: And I was like damn, this is kind of harsh.

JANA:  That's the thing. I've heard this before, that people will put that on their Grindr profile as their bio. 

ELAINE: Wow. It's hard to hear. 

JANA: But on a fun note, I loved learning about, like so Noah translates what the smart gay people are saying… Basically, how can I help you? When they enter the party is just a way to say, F off. And they really showed the backroom scenes of these parties as well, which was really horny. 

ELAINE: It just showed all the horniness of this movie. It was so funny. 

JANA: I did love I was talking to someone about this, about how I think it's important that there is sex, frankly, in queer films, because I feel like perfect example, I would say, is Call Me By Your Name. There's, like, a pretty explicit sex scene between Timothée Chalamet and a girl, and then there's nothing explicit at all. It's more taboo to show gay sex versus straight sex. And I think it's really important that that was included. 

ELAINE: The romance is obviously super important, but the overarching theme and the takeaway for me was the importance of community and chosen family and the people who aren't your blood, but who you would do anything for. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. That's very important in the Asian family [and I think] specifically for the LGBTQ community, just because there is an extra boundary or extra weight on there. Your chosen family is your support system. 

JANA: Right. 

OPHELIA: They act as your family to be there for you. 

JANA: Yeah. And, like, Asian, queer, Asian people have such a specific set of traumas. We have so much that we can relate to each other about things that other people might not understand. And it's finding that is so important. 

ELAINE: Romantic love is important, obviously, but the love you get from your best friends and from your community is so important, too. 

JANA: Yes, that is really important. 

ELAINE: I think Jana has a sneaky little Tik Tok story. Do you want to share it?

JANA: Okay. That makes it sound like it's really sexy. It's not sexy. It's actually really sad. So, yeah, I made a TikTok that I made private immediately after because I got self-conscious. But, yeah, essentially what I said was that for me, especially, trying to figure out my sexuality was really lonely because I felt like I needed to have it all figured out before I brought anyone else in on it. So I was like, before I tell anyone, I need to be 100% sure I need to do this and I need to do this alone. I can't tell anyone about it until I figure it out, which is not true. So my Tik Tok was basically saying that when you're in the closet, it is okay to bring other people into the closet with you. 

ELAINE: That is really sweet. That makes sense, though. 

"When you're in the closet, it is okay to bring other people into the closet with you."

JANA: Yeah. I just feel like you don't have to try and figure it out alone. There's someone who will be there for you, who wants to talk it through with you, for sure. 

OPHELIA: Yeah And I think it also brings in a new perspective. So you're not having a fall on gay panic and Googling.

ELAINE: “What is gay.”

OPHELIA: Am I gay? Am I not gay? You know, like those gay quiz on BuzzFeed? Yes. Where it tells you what percentage of gay are you. I need to take that. 

ELAINE: I'm curious. Who's the first person that you talked to about feeling this way? 

JANA: I'm kind of weird about it. Well, I'm weird about it because I don't think it's weird. So what I do, essentially is I just let it slip in conversation. The only people that I've outwardly been like, I am bi, and you need to know this about me is my parents and my sisters only, like, immediate family that's known me, like, my whole life and doesn't know that about me. But generally speaking, it's just not a big deal. So I just like to let it slip in conversation. You can do whatever you want with that information. It's out there, and I don't care. I'll just be like, ‘Oh, yeah, I matched with this girl on Tinder’ in conversation. 

ELAINE: She’s a little shy talking about her Tinder matches. 

JANA:. I continue to be covered in sweat. It's not a big deal. At the end of the day, I'm like, this is such a small part. And I also think that why does it fall on me to have a weird, awkward conversation with you about something that has nothing to do with you? 

(Girls murmur in agreement)

JANA: Why do I have to be uncomfortable and make sure I'm explaining myself right when I actually don't care? Like, I don't care. I know. So it doesn't matter.

ELAINE: It doesn't concern anyone else who you love and who you do stuff with. 

JANA: Who I'm sucking and fucking. 

ELAINE: Yeah!!

OPHELIA: There was a thing on I saw it on TikTok. It's a trend that, I'm just going to assume everyone is bi or curious or on the spectrum until they come out to be as straight.

ELAINE: Do you think because of all this representation on media that it made it a little bit easier to just slip those little bits into the normal conversation? Like, oh, this girl that I matched with on Tinder. Do you think media has helped that? 

JANA: Yeah, I definitely think so. I think just like, seeing it is always going to make it feel more natural to you

ELAINE: Exposure. 

OPHELIA: Yeah, it's funny that you said that because I feel like my parents definitely blame the Western media on my bisexuality…

ELAINE AND JANA: Oooooohhhh.

OPHELIA:  Yeah. So there was one incident of my father. We were watching Queer Eyes. I love that show. 

ELAINE: Yes. 

OPHELIA:And when I think they were talking about, like, her relationship as well as her marriage. I think my dad's instant reaction was, like, ew, or something like that. And then I was like, Oh, what is that? Not what is that? I think, Why is that disgusting? Like, love is love is love. And I think he just thinks that I watched too much of this show… 

ELAINE: That actually goes into the next obsession.  I recently watched Everything Everywhere All At Once.. It just felt like it captured bits of my life and bits of my relationship with my parents that were so real. It stars Michelle Yeoh and Ke Huy Quan. And I honestly don't really know how to summarize this movie. 

JANA: You literally can. You have to go on. 

ELAINE: I don't think so. But I can start with the catalyst, which is basically the rupture of the multiverse, which tears apart Evelyn's life. Evelyn is the main character, played by Michelle Yeoh, [who is] currently dealing with a whole lot. So her dad is visiting town from China, her taxes, her Laundromat, and a potential divorce with her husband and learning to accept her daughter's new girlfriend. And I was sobbing in the cinema because I think the core of this movie is Evelyn's relationship with her daughter, Joy. 

JANA AND OPHELIA: (Murmurs in agreement)

ELAINE: And in another universe, Joy is the main villain, Joe Tupaki, who wants to destroy the multiverse with her everything black hole bagel. And I think this is the writer's way of personifying depression and sadness and anger that Joy feels with Evelyn's continued silent disapproval of her girlfriend. It made me cry. Just like the bits of them just sitting in the car and Evelyn not really listening to Joy about her sexuality and the depression that she's going through and not getting the support as Evelyn is going through her own things and her own trauma that she was trying to deal with. It just really hit really close to home, and it made me really just cry in the cinema with my back. Everything was foggy. 

JANA: Oh, I cried so much. We mentioned this briefly, but it's like Evelyn and Joy sitting in the car together and you don't really hear anything. You don't hear what they're talking about, but you just see Joy look away from her mother and look out the window. It's just like these small moments with your parents, those small, painful moments of just not being on the same page, but you're together because they're your guardians. You're like you're together all the time. You don't really get the time apart to learn to appreciate each other. You're together all the time, and you're just like these small moments of discomfort with someone who, like, you feel doesn't fully understand you, but loves you so much and is trying. 

ELAINE: I think it's also because it's her daughter and she raised her daughter, but yet she comes out as gay. I raised this daughter. How come I didn't know that this was her sexuality? How come it's so hard for me to accept someone like my daughter who wants to introduce me to her girlfriend? I think that's what's the most difficult part for Evelyn in this movie and why it's so hard for her to accept that. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. But I think that also comes from…  I think it's very interesting because the grandpa actually plays a much bigger mental role than the physical role, because when Evelyn introduced Joy's girlfriend to the grandpa, she said, oh, it's her really good friend. Hao peng you. Right? Yeah. And when they were fighting Joy, the grandpa kept on saying, oh, just give up. She is evil. She is the embodiment of evil. And I think Evelyn internalized everything that her father actually taught her and exactly what you said. It's not that she doesn't want to understand her daughter, and it's not that she disapproved of her daughter, but she's actually shocked by how little she actually knows her daughter. 

ELAINE: Right. Yeah. 

OPHELIA: And a lot of grandparents, or the previous, actually, two generations ago of Asian culture, perceived queer as, oh, you raised your children wrong, or like, it's on the parent. There's that guilt in there. 

JANA: Yeah. And when it shows the flashbacks that Evelyn's dad essentially let her run away with her now husband, and then later, that comes to a head with Evelyn saying, why did you let me leave, she internalized that rejection from her father, and I feel like she's scared of getting rejected again. So she wants to keep the peace as much as possible, even if that means not letting her daughter fully be who she is around her mother. 

ELAINE: Yeah. And I think it's also…  because…  a really important factor is that they're immigrants. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. Right.

ELAINE: When she's talking to the tax–  the IRS woman, Jamie Lee Curtis, she's like, why are you using such difficult words that we can't understand for our taxes? And they're just trying to be accepted in this Western world, and having a homosexual relationship or a gay couple for your daughter is not seen as an option. That's not the norm. That is not something it's like another hurdle for them to jump through…

JANA: It’s like another thing that  makes you different and makes it harder. 

ELAINE: Yeah, exactly.

OPHELIA:  In a time that ‘different’ is bad. 

ELAINE: The rock scene, I just wanted to mention, it's just rocks with subtitles, that whole bit. But when Joy decides to just fall off because she can't accept herself, she can't accept that her parents don't understand her, Evelyn falls off with her.

JANA: Yeah. 

OPHELIA: They love each other so much. 

ELAINE: Yeah. The part where they have their big argument in the parking lot of the laundromat, and Joy says to Evelyn, we obviously don't make each other happy. Like, when we're together, one of us is always getting hurt. So why would we try to stay together when things only make sense with us for a few moments? And then Evelyn says, then I will cherish every single one of those moments. 

JANA: Oh, my God, I'm going to start sobbing.

ELAINE: This episode. We've been through hornyness. We've been through hotness. It's also awesome to see that LGBTQ media can be so diverse right now.

JANA:  We feel horny. We definitely feel horny. Yes. Okay, so we also wanted to hear the thoughts of our Bobblehaus

ELAINE:  We're going to do our first ever call-in segment where listeners can send us a message to tell us about a piece of media that they're totally obsessed with.

(iPhone ringtone)

CALLER: Hi, my name is Juliet. I'm so excited to be here in this episode of Obsessed. Thank you guys so much. I heard I am the first caller, and that's really exciting for me. And I feel like this might be a bisexual copout. I feel like this is what every bo girl says, but maybe I'm wrong. Jennifer's Body with Megan Fox and Amanda Cyfred was a really big pop culture moment for me. The movie is about two high school girls. One is actually like a demon, and I haven't watched it in a while, so I couldn't tell you specific details. But I do remember sort of feeling like, sort of resonating with some of the possessive feelings that Megan Fox has over her friend…  I get the possessiveness over a friend who has a boyfriend, and I don't really know why. It just sort of resonated with me, which is kind of psychotic to say because I'm like, Oh, a demon resonated with me. When you grow up and you are femme-presenting and you aren't entirely straight, I think it's sort of easier to just go with what is accessible to you. And I think for a long time, for me, it was heterosexual relationships, because it’s what is in front of you, to be in relationships with men who I don't know, that's how it was for me. It was really easy and whatever. So, yeah. Jennifer's Body. Does that make me sound demonic? 

JANA: Have you guys seen Jennifer's Body? 

OPHELIA: No, I unfortunately have not. 

JANA: Okay. This movie is big for me. This is huge.

ELAINE: By the way, Juliet, that does make you sound a little demonic. 

JANA: Well, I love what you said, how it was like about focusing on the possessiveness because okay, so some backstory for this movie is that it's, like, become a cult classic now, but at the time, it was pretty poorly received, and a lot of that is because of the way it was marketed. And even the director has said the way that they  marketed it basically set it up to fail. So, like, the trailer and the poster and all of the marketing basically made it seem like it was going to be a really male gazy, objectifying, Megan Fox type of movie. And then it turns out to be this intense story about female friendship and what is it called? Comp-het? Have you guys heard of this? Compulsory heteronormativity. So it's like Juliet was saying, basically, it's like being straight is what's in front of you, and it's what you're used to seeing. So you just do it. 

ELAINE: Yeah. 

JANA: Yeah. So that's kind of what a lot of the discourse about that movie is. But yeah. I'm so glad you said that. I love this movie so much. I literally bought that DVD from RedBox, and I straight up broke it. The make out scene. Oh, my God. The make out. I do think that is like the greatest make out scene in cinema history that I know of, at least. 

OPHELIA: Wow, that's a big statement. I have to go watch it now. 

ELAINE: Because it's not male gaze-y or is it shot in a way that's more like, emotional and intense? 

JANA: It's just really good. That's the only way I can put it. They have really good conditions. It's not even just that it's hot. It's really intimate and it's very sensual. It's not just sexy. It's sensual. I don't know. 

OPHELIA: That's the magic of Megan Fox. I watched a quick clip of the make out scene in Jennifer's body. It does kind of look like two Disney princesses kissing. It looks like oh, I'm not going to lie. It looks like Rapunzel was kissing... I have trouble remembering…

OPHELIA: Who has black hair [and] is a Disney princess? Like the Hercules... Who's the… 

ELAINE: Megara. I love her. Great. She's underrated. 

OPHELIA: Yes. Megara Megan Fox. I'm just saying. Megara Fox. When are we going to get a queer Disney or Pixar movie? I have been ready. 

JANA: I want gay princesses. 

OPHELIA: Yes. Rebel Wilson actually came out recently on Instagram, and her caption was so beautiful. She said she had been looking for a prince and she didn't know she's been looking for a princess. 

JANA: She needs a princess. 

ELAINE: Yeah. I love it so much. That's a sweet way of saying it.

JANA: Good for her. I also feel like people are I don't know… I feel like people are coming out later and later and not in a bad way. I think life is long and they're just more open to your life taking a path or realizing something about yourself later in life. It's less about figuring everything out by the time you're 18 or whatever. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. 

JANA: So we will end this with our one and only segment, crushed Corner. Listeners, we need a jingle for the segment. So if you're a music producer or something, please slide into our DMs, let us know.

ELAINE:

JANA:  We need a sexy jingle. Yes. Make it sexy. Make it really sexy. 

ELAINE: Make it so sexy. It's, like a little uncomfortable to listen to. That's what I'm looking for.

JANA: Like yikes. All right, Ophelia, who are you crushing on? 

OPHELIA: Oh, my goodness. I think it's been my crush. And I recently watched it again with my girlfriend is…  the older brother, Tadashi, Hero Tadashi from Big Hero Six. 

ELAINE: So hot. 

JANA: Isn't it so weird when you think a cartoon character is hot? 

OPHELIA: Yes. No, it's not. 

JANA: Like, at the end of the day, you are thirsting over pixels. 

OPHELIA: Yeah, but tell me Simba wasn't your sexual awakening.

ELAINE: Simba was not my sexual awakening.

OPHELIA: Never mind!!

JANA: But you know who was really hot is the tiger. It's just getting too niche. Okay. I need to find a position. 

ELAINE: Is this going into the furry community? 

JANA: There's a tiger or a lion in Zootopia who can get it..

ELAINE:  hot. Right? Is that the one that's voiced by Idris Elba? 

JANA: I don't know, but they did not animate like him like this for no reason. 

OPHELIA: Simba is just my generation of that, okay?  

ELAINE: Yes. I'm not kink-shaminging for Zootopia. They drew more details. They did. They put a lot of detail in there. Thinking about animated characters, if anybody watches one piece, I think my two questions, because I can never choose. It's either Robin or Zoro. 

OPHELIA: Yes. 

ELAINE: I can't even talk about Zoro without blushing. Every time my boyfriend and I watch Zoro, I'm, like, blushing, and he's like, oh, my God, it's him again. 

JANA: I love it. 

OPHELIA: That should be a Halloween costume. 

ELAINE: Oh, my gosh. I wanted to do that. 

OPHELIA: Yeah. You need, like, big, thick tits, though. 

JANA: Oh, my God. Big breastplate. You need a breastplate. 

ELAINE: I need those hip pads as well, for hips. Go like crazy. And Jana, your crush. 

JANA: My crush, since we're on the topic of the animated characters, is Howl from Howl’s Moving Castle. 

ELAINE: Oh, my God, I forgot about that. He's so hot. He's so moody. He's so dramatic. 

ELAINE: He's a bit dramatic for me. He's like beauty… If I'm ugly, it doesn't matter. 

JANA: When he’s sad, he's covered in goo, and I'm like, I get it 100%. 

ELAINE: Is that also why you want to go blonde? 

JANA: Honestly, I'll add him to my list of inspirations. I have many inspirations for going blonde. One, honestly, is Lucius Malfoy from Harry Potter. He has a really icy blonde.

OPHELIA: Golden platinum. Yeah, it's so good. I feel like all Asian girl will go through the blonde phase once.

JANA: I love it. Elaine. 

ELAINE: I need to have the money to go through that phase. That's true. 

OPHELIA: Find a sugar daddy or mummy. 

JANA: Yeah. Sugar non binary.

ELAINE: And that's all for today, folks. 

JANA: Yes, thank you so much for tuning in to Obsessed by Bobblehaus. Thank you to Ophelia for joining us on this very, very special episode. 

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